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		<title>Inquest Into Teoh&#8217;s Death Tomorrow</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[KUALA LUMPUR, July 28 (Bernama) -- The inquest into the death of Teoh Beng Hock, the political secretary of a Selangor state executive councillor, will begin tomorrow in the Shah Alam magistrate's court to determine the cause of death.<br />
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Teoh, 30, political aide of Selangor State Executive Councillor Ean Yong Hian Wah, was found dead on July 16 on the fifth floor corridor of Plaza Masalam in Shah Alam.<br />
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He had been questioned as a witness by the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) between 5pm on July 15 and 3.45am the following day on the allegations of misuse of Selangor state government allocations, at the MACC office located on the 14th floor of the same building.<br />
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Lawyer Gobind Singh Deo, for Teoh's family, when contacted by Bernama said he would make an appliction to get several documents including the post-mortem report before the inquest proceedings begin.<br />
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Statements from 77 people questioned will be the focus. Azmil Muntapha Abas is expected to act as coroner.<br />
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Among those expected to be called are 28 MACC officers, chemists and pathologists and several of Teoh's close friends.<br />
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On July 22, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak announced that an inquest headed by a magistrate would be held into Teoh's death.<br />
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Besides Gobind, Teoh's family is also represented by lawyer Karpal Singh, while lawyer Malik Imtiaz Sarwar would be an observer for the Selangor state government.<br />
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The Attorney-General's Chambers is still keeping mum on who would handle the case but it is believed that it will be an experienced Deputy Public Prosecutor.<br />
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Observation by Bernama at Shah Alam Magistrate Court 5 found that several workers were busy installing three screens to display the proceedings for the duration of the inquest.<br />
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Media persons are expected to be at the court as early as 6am to get seats in the public gallery as the court can only hold 60 persons.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>KUALA LUMPUR, July 28 (Bernama) &#8212; The inquest into the death of Teoh Beng Hock, the political secretary of a Selangor state executive councillor, will begin tomorrow in the Shah Alam magistrate&#8217;s court to determine the cause of death.</p>
<p>Teoh, 30, political aide of Selangor State Executive Councillor Ean Yong Hian Wah, was found dead on July 16 on the fifth floor corridor of Plaza Masalam in Shah Alam.</p>
<p>He had been questioned as a witness by the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) between 5pm on July 15 and 3.45am the following day on the allegations of misuse of Selangor state government allocations, at the MACC office located on the 14th floor of the same building.</p>
<p>Lawyer Gobind Singh Deo, for Teoh&#8217;s family, when contacted by Bernama said he would make an appliction to get several documents including the post-mortem report before the inquest proceedings begin.</p>
<p>Statements from 77 people questioned will be the focus. Azmil Muntapha Abas is expected to act as coroner.</p>
<p>Among those expected to be called are 28 MACC officers, chemists and pathologists and several of Teoh&#8217;s close friends.</p>
<p>On July 22, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak announced that an inquest headed by a magistrate would be held into Teoh&#8217;s death.</p>
<p>Besides Gobind, Teoh&#8217;s family is also represented by lawyer Karpal Singh, while lawyer Malik Imtiaz Sarwar would be an observer for the Selangor state government.</p>
<p>The Attorney-General&#8217;s Chambers is still keeping mum on who would handle the case but it is believed that it will be an experienced Deputy Public Prosecutor.</p>
<p>Observation by Bernama at Shah Alam Magistrate Court 5 found that several workers were busy installing three screens to display the proceedings for the duration of the inquest.</p>
<p>Media persons are expected to be at the court as early as 6am to get seats in the public gallery as the court can only hold 60 persons.</p>
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		<title>AG should defer the Teoh Beng Hock Inquest in the interests of justice.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">The Attorney General should push for the inquest into the death of Teoh Beng Hock to be deferred.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">It was revealed by the Selangor police chief just a while ago that police investigations into the case are ‘more or less complete’. It was also revealed that some reports such as the pathologist report have yet to be received by the police.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">In addition to this, I have been informed that the police are only now asking certain individuals to produce DNA samples to assist in investigations. One would assume this is to connect those persons to the body of Teoh Beng Hock, which no doubt will have a huge impact on the case.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">The Attorney General should not press for the inquest to proceed when these essential aspects of the investigations are yet to be completed. In fact, an inquest should only be held after the police have completed their investigations and where those investigations cannot by themselves find a cause of death.. This is because the Attorney General should first consider the findings of the police investigations before deciding whether or not an inquest is required. Here, it appears, the investigations have not even been completed yet.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">I will be raising these matters in court tomorrow. Applications will also be made for documents. A deferment for a short while will benefit all parties to the inquest in that there would be time for the exchange of documents and very importantly, the family of Teoh Beng Hock would also be able to seek second opinions from experts on the various reports such as the post mortem, forensic and DNA report which would be of most importance to the inquest.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">We propose to give the Magistrate and DPP assisting, the fullest of cooperation and assistance during the inquest. The outcome of the inquest is most important to all Malaysians and as such I am of the view that it ought not be rushed through as apparently is the case at present.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">It was revealed by the Selangor police chief just a while ago that police investigations into the case are ‘more or less complete’. It was also revealed that some reports such as the pathologist report have yet to be received by the police.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">In addition to this, I have been informed that the police are only now asking certain individuals to produce DNA samples to assist in investigations. One would assume this is to connect those persons to the body of Teoh Beng Hock, which no doubt will have a huge impact on the case.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">The Attorney General should not press for the inquest to proceed when these essential aspects of the investigations are yet to be completed. In fact, an inquest should only be held after the police have completed their investigations and where those investigations cannot by themselves find a cause of death.. This is because the Attorney General should first consider the findings of the police investigations before deciding whether or not an inquest is required. Here, it appears, the investigations have not even been completed yet.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">I will be raising these matters in court tomorrow. Applications will also be made for documents. A deferment for a short while will benefit all parties to the inquest in that there would be time for the exchange of documents and very importantly, the family of Teoh Beng Hock would also be able to seek second opinions from experts on the various reports such as the post mortem, forensic and DNA report which would be of most importance to the inquest.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">We propose to give the Magistrate and DPP assisting, the fullest of cooperation and assistance during the inquest. The outcome of the inquest is most important to all Malaysians and as such I am of the view that it ought not be rushed through as apparently is the case at present.</p>
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		<title>Set up royal commission for Kugan too</title>
		<link>http://gobindsinghdeo.blog.com/2009/07/23/set-up-royal-commission-for-kugan-too/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gobind Singh Deo        MP for Puchong</dc:creator>
		
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The tragic yet controversial <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/108637"><strong>death</strong></a> of political aide Teoh Beng Hock has prompted the government to <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/109051"><strong>set up</strong></a> a royal commission of inquiry.<br />
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For suspended Puchong parliamentarian Gobind Singh-Deo (<em>below</em>), the government should also not forget the death of 23-yer-old A Kugan, who died under police watch.<br />
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According to the practicing lawyer, the government should call for a royal commission of inquiry to determine interrogation techniques used by the police against Kugan.<br />
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"We have to remember that Kugan was also a victim of assault and we need to find out the type of interrogation techniques used in the police station.<br />
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"If the (techniques) are unlawful, recommendations (by royal commission) should be made to avoid similar tragedies in police custody," he said.
<p><font color="#800000"><strong>Second post mortem</strong></font></p>
<p>Unlike Teoh who had died under the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission's (MACC) watch, Kugan <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/96861"><strong>died</strong></a> five days after he was detained in connection with several car theft cases at the Taipan police station in USJ.<br />
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Following this, family wanted a second <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/97148"><strong>post-mortem</strong></a> after being dissatisfied with the first one carried out at the Serdang Hospital which concluded that Kugan died of liquid in his lungs.<br />
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However, a video of the remains taken at the Serdang Hospital mortuary revealed severe bruises on the body, leading many quarters to accuse the police of foul play.<br />
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Following a massive public outcry, attorney-general Abdul Gani Patail (<em>left</em>) reclassified the case as <strong><a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/97158">murder</a></strong> and investigations were underway.<br />
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One day after the AG made the announcement, 11 constables and lance corporals from the Subang Taipan police station, where Kugan had collapsed and died, were <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/97093"><strong>removed</strong></a> and put on desk duty pending investigations.
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<font color="#800000"><strong>'Family still in the dark'</strong></font></p>
<p>"But up until now, there is absolutely nothing going on in Kugan's case as no one has been charged...those responsible are walking about freely," said Gobind.<br />
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Gobind also urged Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar (<em>below</em>) to immediately reveal the techniques of interrogation used against Kugan when he was being held.<br />
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"He should tell us whether such techniques are routinely used by the police on prisoners and suspects," he said.<br />
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Gobind also said that Kugan's family is "still in the dark" as to why no one has gone through the case.<br />
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"They also have no idea if action has been taken against the cops involved.
<p>We all have an equal concern in Kugan's as well as Teoh's case because it involves one more custodial death in the country," said Gobind.</p>
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<p>The tragic yet controversial <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/108637"><strong>death</strong></a> of political aide Teoh Beng Hock has prompted the government to <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/109051"><strong>set up</strong></a> a royal commission of inquiry.</p>
<p>For suspended Puchong parliamentarian Gobind Singh-Deo (<em>below</em>), the government should also not forget the death of 23-yer-old A Kugan, who died under police watch.</p>
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<p>According to the practicing lawyer, the government should call for a royal commission of inquiry to determine interrogation techniques used by the police against Kugan.</p>
<p>&#8220;We have to remember that Kugan was also a victim of assault and we need to find out the type of interrogation techniques used in the police station.</p>
<p>&#8220;If the (techniques) are unlawful, recommendations (by royal commission) should be made to avoid similar tragedies in police custody,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p><font color="#800000"><strong>Second post mortem</strong></font></p>
<p>Unlike Teoh who had died under the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission&#8217;s (MACC) watch, Kugan <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/96861"><strong>died</strong></a> five days after he was detained in connection with several car theft cases at the Taipan police station in USJ.</p>
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<p>Following this, family wanted a second <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/97148"><strong>post-mortem</strong></a> after being dissatisfied with the first one carried out at the Serdang Hospital which concluded that Kugan died of liquid in his lungs.</p>
<p>However, a video of the remains taken at the Serdang Hospital mortuary revealed severe bruises on the body, leading many quarters to accuse the police of foul play.</p>
<p>Following a massive public outcry, attorney-general Abdul Gani Patail (<em>left</em>) reclassified the case as <strong><a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/97158">murder</a></strong> and investigations were underway.</p>
<p>One day after the AG made the announcement, 11 constables and lance corporals from the Subang Taipan police station, where Kugan had collapsed and died, were <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/97093"><strong>removed</strong></a> and put on desk duty pending investigations.</p>
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<font color="#800000"><strong>&#8216;Family still in the dark&#8217;</strong></font></p>
<p>&#8220;But up until now, there is absolutely nothing going on in Kugan&#8217;s case as no one has been charged&#8230;those responsible are walking about freely,&#8221; said Gobind.</p>
<p>Gobind also urged Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar (<em>below</em>) to immediately reveal the techniques of interrogation used against Kugan when he was being held.</p>
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<p>&#8220;He should tell us whether such techniques are routinely used by the police on prisoners and suspects,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Gobind also said that Kugan&#8217;s family is &#8220;still in the dark&#8221; as to why no one has gone through the case.</p>
<p>&#8220;They also have no idea if action has been taken against the cops involved.</p>
<p>We all have an equal concern in Kugan&#8217;s as well as Teoh&#8217;s case because it involves one more custodial death in the country,&#8221; said Gobind.</p>
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		<title>CABINETS DECISION NONSENSICAL</title>
		<link>http://gobindsinghdeo.blog.com/2009/07/22/cabinets-decision-nonsensical/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">A Magistrate is empowered under the Criminal Procedure Code to hold an inquiry into the circumstances leading to the death of a person.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Commonly seen to address deaths in police custody, or suspicious deaths, the task of a Magistrate would be to hold a public hearing where witnesses from whom statements have been taken by the police will be called and openly questioned.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Those with a direct interest in the outcome of these proceedings, such as victims or suspects, may engage lawyers who may appear and question these witnesses as well during the proceedings.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">One thing is certain. A magistrate has wide powers but only in so far as finding the circumstances leading to and the causes of death in that particular case are concerned.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">A magistrate may not go the extra distance to inquire into the propriety of the investigative procedures adopted on the deceased, as in the case of Teoh.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">A Royal Commission of Inquiry on the other hand may be asked to inquire into both. This means the RCI may look into the circumstances leading to and the causes of death of a person in custody and also the sufficiency or otherwise of measures existing to protect the rights of individuals who are detained for questioning.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">What comes across as strange in the decision of the cabinet is the separation of the two. If the cabinet did not feel it fit to set up a RCI, then one would fall back on an inquest. But where the cabinet decides to set up a RCI, then what is the logic behind separating the two?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Not only would there be two separate hearings held, which will involve twice the time and cost, there could be a serious problem if the findings of both were different. That would result in an absurd and highly embarrassing position for the government.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Having said that, how is the RCI going to focus on the events which led to the death of Teoh? Are they to rely on the findings of the Inquest or are they to reevaluate the whole case and if they are required to rely on the findings of the Magistrate, then what real purpose is there for the RCI if it cannot inquire and judge for itself the real facts of the case?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">It is also to be remembered that an inquest usually depends heavily on witnesses from whom the police have taken statements whereas a RCI has the power to call and question almost anyone they feel are relevant for the purpose of uncovering the whole truth in cases such as these.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Take for example the Rahim Nor ‘Black Eye” RCI. That was a case where the top police officer of the country was found to be responsible and as such, the setting up of a RCI consisting of members who were ex- judges and medical experts went a long long way in reassuring Malaysians of their impartiality.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Further, it is to be remembered that a RCI presents its findings and recommendations to the King.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">In the case of a Magistrate, the findings are channeled to the Attorney-General. Arguably, the AG could maintain his impartiality in the matter, but where the death came around in an investigation involving a prosecuting agency such as the MACC, there would be perception problems as surely the AG ought not to decide on a matter where his men are allegedly involved.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">I am surprised how it is the cabinet has decided to hold both an Inquest and a RCI. It really does not make much sense. It reflects a lack of will on part of the government to set up an inquisitorial process which is truly independent to unearth the dark facts behind the death of Teoh Beng Hock.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Commonly seen to address deaths in police custody, or suspicious deaths, the task of a Magistrate would be to hold a public hearing where witnesses from whom statements have been taken by the police will be called and openly questioned.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Those with a direct interest in the outcome of these proceedings, such as victims or suspects, may engage lawyers who may appear and question these witnesses as well during the proceedings.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">One thing is certain. A magistrate has wide powers but only in so far as finding the circumstances leading to and the causes of death in that particular case are concerned.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">A magistrate may not go the extra distance to inquire into the propriety of the investigative procedures adopted on the deceased, as in the case of Teoh.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">A Royal Commission of Inquiry on the other hand may be asked to inquire into both. This means the RCI may look into the circumstances leading to and the causes of death of a person in custody and also the sufficiency or otherwise of measures existing to protect the rights of individuals who are detained for questioning.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">What comes across as strange in the decision of the cabinet is the separation of the two. If the cabinet did not feel it fit to set up a RCI, then one would fall back on an inquest. But where the cabinet decides to set up a RCI, then what is the logic behind separating the two?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Not only would there be two separate hearings held, which will involve twice the time and cost, there could be a serious problem if the findings of both were different. That would result in an absurd and highly embarrassing position for the government.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Having said that, how is the RCI going to focus on the events which led to the death of Teoh? Are they to rely on the findings of the Inquest or are they to reevaluate the whole case and if they are required to rely on the findings of the Magistrate, then what real purpose is there for the RCI if it cannot inquire and judge for itself the real facts of the case?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">It is also to be remembered that an inquest usually depends heavily on witnesses from whom the police have taken statements whereas a RCI has the power to call and question almost anyone they feel are relevant for the purpose of uncovering the whole truth in cases such as these.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Take for example the Rahim Nor ‘Black Eye” RCI. That was a case where the top police officer of the country was found to be responsible and as such, the setting up of a RCI consisting of members who were ex- judges and medical experts went a long long way in reassuring Malaysians of their impartiality.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">Further, it is to be remembered that a RCI presents its findings and recommendations to the King.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">In the case of a Magistrate, the findings are channeled to the Attorney-General. Arguably, the AG could maintain his impartiality in the matter, but where the death came around in an investigation involving a prosecuting agency such as the MACC, there would be perception problems as surely the AG ought not to decide on a matter where his men are allegedly involved.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">I am surprised how it is the cabinet has decided to hold both an Inquest and a RCI. It really does not make much sense. It reflects a lack of will on part of the government to set up an inquisitorial process which is truly independent to unearth the dark facts behind the death of Teoh Beng Hock.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">There are two ways in which a public inquiry may be held over the circumstances leading to the death of Teoh Beng Hock.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">As already suggested, the setting up of a Royal Commission of Inquiry would go a long way in finding ways and means by which incidents like these are no more in future. Its terms and reference should be cast wide. It should look into things like the interrogation techniques used, the time and conditions under which a person may be interrogated.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">Second, we should be looking the places where interrogations take place. There should be CCTV camera’s placed there and the footage of these recordings must be made available to those interrogated upon request.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;"><span>&#160;</span>I have done a case in which a restaurant owner was taken to a police station in Johor where he was beaten whilst tied up and then he was hung upside down from an iron bar, his pants removed and chemical liquid poured onto his private parts in the course of interrogations. The defendants denied it. We won the case. The prosecution did not appeal. A video would have helped indeed.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">I am currently doing a case in which a young girl was allegedly raped in an interrogation room in a police station early one morning by a policeman in uniform. Again the defendant denies it. He claims it was consensual. A 17 year old girl. In a police station. At 5am. Consensual. A video would help.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">And of course, we have the case of A.Kugan where a suspect was beaten to death in police custody. Gani Patail is not very sure of what to do. A video would help him.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">These are just a few examples. There are other horror stories of hot water treatments in police stations, threats of death and so on. Well, that for another time.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">Third, we should be looking at the rights of families where a death occurs. In Kugan’s<span>&#160;</span> case it is quite clear that but for the family’s barging into the mortuary and taking photographs and video’s of Kugan, no one would have realized the severity of the beatings which reflected as bruises and marks all over his body.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">Likewise in Teoh’s case, a request to look at the body at the scene by lawyers was denied. We know the scene of the crime must be preserved for the best forensic results. But we can surely have rules for the family and their lawyers or experts to view the body from a distance so as to decide whether or not they want to have a second opinion.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">Further, I feel it is very important for the law to demand that forensic personnel be compelled to speak to the family of the deceased at the scene after they have completed their investigations before removing the body. They should inform the family of their preliminary findings. This is never done. The families are left in a lurch as to what is the cause of death and they have no way to actually decide whether a second opinion is needed. It’s quite simple. How do you ask for a second opinion if you don’t know what the first one is?<span>&#160;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">Third, the law must make it a point to distinguish between ordinary deaths and deaths in custody. Where a death occurs in custody, then the police or the other investigating body becomes suspect. The law must give the family the option to have a second autopsy after they are appraised of the findings of the first. If they are satisfied with the initial report there is no need to go further, but if they are not, they have a right to a second opinion.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">The other point is this. The family should be permitted to get any government or private pathologist to help them. It Teoh’s case, the family was asked to get a pathologist at the very last minute. This made it very difficult and we were only able to secure help from Thailand. And in Kugan’s case, we were given the runaround by the police up to a point that demonstrations needed to be held.and ultimately, we got Dr Prashant to help. Now, the AG has roped him into the prosecution team as well.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">And, whilst on this topic, we should make sure that if the family opts for a government pathologist, then the state should bear the costs of the second autopsy. In Kugan’s case, we collected donations to foot the bill of RM3000.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">There is also the question of formulating laws which protect the police or other officials in investigations of this nature. Ordinarily a lot of speculation and theories are channeled against them but we must understand that that is because of the problems I have spoken about above. Given the way in which the family and public are left in the dark about these very sensitive and important details, temperatures would indeed be expected to rise.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">Quite apart from a Royal Commission of Inquiry, the law provides for inquests to be held in cases of sudden death. Take the Sujatha inquest as an example. Here a Magistrate will hear all witnesses in public before coming to recommendations as to the possible causes of death and also if anyone is to be held responsible. The terms of reference are narrower in that the Magistrate sits to merely ascertain the cause of death and proposed suspects. It does not go further in terms of what is discussed above, which a Royal Commission of Inquiry can look into.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">I have advised Teoh’s family to call for both. A royal commission of Inquiry would be broader in its terms of its reference. It would look at the cause of death and more importantly the circumstances surrounding interrogations and the rights of suspects and their families. If a Royal Commission of Inquiry is not set up then we would ask for an inquest to be held.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">July 19, 2009</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;"><strong>GOBIND SINGH DEO</strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">There are two ways in which a public inquiry may be held over the circumstances leading to the death of Teoh Beng Hock.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">As already suggested, the setting up of a Royal Commission of Inquiry would go a long way in finding ways and means by which incidents like these are no more in future. Its terms and reference should be cast wide. It should look into things like the interrogation techniques used, the time and conditions under which a person may be interrogated.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">Second, we should be looking the places where interrogations take place. There should be CCTV camera’s placed there and the footage of these recordings must be made available to those interrogated upon request.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;"><span>&#160;</span>I have done a case in which a restaurant owner was taken to a police station in Johor where he was beaten whilst tied up and then he was hung upside down from an iron bar, his pants removed and chemical liquid poured onto his private parts in the course of interrogations. The defendants denied it. We won the case. The prosecution did not appeal. A video would have helped indeed.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">I am currently doing a case in which a young girl was allegedly raped in an interrogation room in a police station early one morning by a policeman in uniform. Again the defendant denies it. He claims it was consensual. A 17 year old girl. In a police station. At 5am. Consensual. A video would help.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">And of course, we have the case of A.Kugan where a suspect was beaten to death in police custody. Gani Patail is not very sure of what to do. A video would help him.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">These are just a few examples. There are other horror stories of hot water treatments in police stations, threats of death and so on. Well, that for another time.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">Third, we should be looking at the rights of families where a death occurs. In Kugan’s<span>&#160;</span> case it is quite clear that but for the family’s barging into the mortuary and taking photographs and video’s of Kugan, no one would have realized the severity of the beatings which reflected as bruises and marks all over his body.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">Likewise in Teoh’s case, a request to look at the body at the scene by lawyers was denied. We know the scene of the crime must be preserved for the best forensic results. But we can surely have rules for the family and their lawyers or experts to view the body from a distance so as to decide whether or not they want to have a second opinion.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">Further, I feel it is very important for the law to demand that forensic personnel be compelled to speak to the family of the deceased at the scene after they have completed their investigations before removing the body. They should inform the family of their preliminary findings. This is never done. The families are left in a lurch as to what is the cause of death and they have no way to actually decide whether a second opinion is needed. It’s quite simple. How do you ask for a second opinion if you don’t know what the first one is?<span>&#160;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">Third, the law must make it a point to distinguish between ordinary deaths and deaths in custody. Where a death occurs in custody, then the police or the other investigating body becomes suspect. The law must give the family the option to have a second autopsy after they are appraised of the findings of the first. If they are satisfied with the initial report there is no need to go further, but if they are not, they have a right to a second opinion.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">The other point is this. The family should be permitted to get any government or private pathologist to help them. It Teoh’s case, the family was asked to get a pathologist at the very last minute. This made it very difficult and we were only able to secure help from Thailand. And in Kugan’s case, we were given the runaround by the police up to a point that demonstrations needed to be held.and ultimately, we got Dr Prashant to help. Now, the AG has roped him into the prosecution team as well.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">And, whilst on this topic, we should make sure that if the family opts for a government pathologist, then the state should bear the costs of the second autopsy. In Kugan’s case, we collected donations to foot the bill of RM3000.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">There is also the question of formulating laws which protect the police or other officials in investigations of this nature. Ordinarily a lot of speculation and theories are channeled against them but we must understand that that is because of the problems I have spoken about above. Given the way in which the family and public are left in the dark about these very sensitive and important details, temperatures would indeed be expected to rise.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">Quite apart from a Royal Commission of Inquiry, the law provides for inquests to be held in cases of sudden death. Take the Sujatha inquest as an example. Here a Magistrate will hear all witnesses in public before coming to recommendations as to the possible causes of death and also if anyone is to be held responsible. The terms of reference are narrower in that the Magistrate sits to merely ascertain the cause of death and proposed suspects. It does not go further in terms of what is discussed above, which a Royal Commission of Inquiry can look into.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">I have advised Teoh’s family to call for both. A royal commission of Inquiry would be broader in its terms of its reference. It would look at the cause of death and more importantly the circumstances surrounding interrogations and the rights of suspects and their families. If a Royal Commission of Inquiry is not set up then we would ask for an inquest to be held.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">July 19, 2009</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p align="justify">&#160;Many months ago A.Kugan was beaten to his death in police custody. Think about it. Bruises and marks showing he was beaten. He was in a police lock-up or station. There is no dispute about the fact that it was the police who were responsible. We waited for the results of the post-mortem report. We got it. We were not happy with it. We were not happy with it because our eyes didn’t lie to us. We know what we saw. To us it was murder. So we went to the funeral and brought the coffin back to UMMC. We wanted a second opinion.<br />
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Whilst all of this was happening, the police let out theories of how it is the first postmortem seemed to exculpate them. It wasn’t murder, according to them. Nobody was arrested. Until today, no one has been charged. Gani Patail is the Attorney General of Malaysia. He decides who is to be charged and for what. Well, that’s usually the case. If I remember correctly, he said one day that A.Kugan’s case should be classified as murder. This was during Pak Lah’s time.<br />
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Then we went to see a good person by the name of Dr Prashant in UMMC. We told him we wanted a second post-mortem done on A.Kugan. He agreed and we got on with it. His examination confirmed what we (all Malaysians, except those investigating) could already see and already knew. It was surely murder.<br />
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Then Gani Patail said he had a problem. Now there were two reports. He didn’t know what to do. So he commenced investigations on the reports. These investigations are still pending and those who brought Kugan to his death are still walking around freely.<br />
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I am impressed.<br />
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I now know that the best way to buy a few months or years of time for my clients who are accused of murder is to get a second post-mortem report. Once this is done, Gani Patail will have a problem and he will investigate the reports. In the meanwhile, the accused can go free. They can even leave the country if they want. No problem.<br />
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Some intelligent people have told me that the purpose of the investigation into Dr Prashant’s report is to see if it is correct. Of course, whilst investigations are pending, some high officers of the health ministry have already said his report is not quite right. Gani Patail is still waiting for the official results. The suspects, meanwhile can remain free. But the problem is really this. Whilst all this is happening, another body is found outside the office of the MACC. Again, a public outcry. Again a demand for justice. The police are investigating.<br />
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I was at the scene of the crime yesterday. I was told the police had their best team working on the case. The government also says this. Gani Patail also has this at the top of his mind. Justice. And then, guess what? I manage to see the team of forensic pathologists who are working on the case. And there is Dr Prashant. I am impressed. I say hello and of course, the usual hand shakes. I have faith in him.<br />
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But hold on a second. Isn’t this the same man the prosecution is having a headache with in respect of Kugan’s case? Is it not the case that Gani Patail has issues with his report in that case and thus the inquiries etc?<br />
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So whats going on Gani Patail? Do you trust Dr Prashant or not? If you do why are you wasting time dragging the Kugan case and if you don’t, why is he on the case of Teoh Beng Hock? Mine is a simple conclusion. Gani Patail has faith in Dr Prashant. Well done, Gani Patail! So, how long more are A.Kugan’s parents to wait before any policeman is to be charged for causing their son’s death. Actually, since we are already talking about it, and we know Gani Patail has faith in Dr Prashant, why really is the Kugan case being delayed?<br />
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<p align="justify">&#160;Many months ago A.Kugan was beaten to his death in police custody. Think about it. Bruises and marks showing he was beaten. He was in a police lock-up or station. There is no dispute about the fact that it was the police who were responsible. We waited for the results of the post-mortem report. We got it. We were not happy with it. We were not happy with it because our eyes didn’t lie to us. We know what we saw. To us it was murder. So we went to the funeral and brought the coffin back to UMMC. We wanted a second opinion.<br />
&#160;<br />
Whilst all of this was happening, the police let out theories of how it is the first postmortem seemed to exculpate them. It wasn’t murder, according to them. Nobody was arrested. Until today, no one has been charged. Gani Patail is the Attorney General of Malaysia. He decides who is to be charged and for what. Well, that’s usually the case. If I remember correctly, he said one day that A.Kugan’s case should be classified as murder. This was during Pak Lah’s time.</p>
<p>Then we went to see a good person by the name of Dr Prashant in UMMC. We told him we wanted a second post-mortem done on A.Kugan. He agreed and we got on with it. His examination confirmed what we (all Malaysians, except those investigating) could already see and already knew. It was surely murder.</p>
<p>Then Gani Patail said he had a problem. Now there were two reports. He didn’t know what to do. So he commenced investigations on the reports. These investigations are still pending and those who brought Kugan to his death are still walking around freely.</p>
<p>I am impressed.</p>
<p>I now know that the best way to buy a few months or years of time for my clients who are accused of murder is to get a second post-mortem report. Once this is done, Gani Patail will have a problem and he will investigate the reports. In the meanwhile, the accused can go free. They can even leave the country if they want. No problem.<br />
&#160;<br />
Some intelligent people have told me that the purpose of the investigation into Dr Prashant’s report is to see if it is correct. Of course, whilst investigations are pending, some high officers of the health ministry have already said his report is not quite right. Gani Patail is still waiting for the official results. The suspects, meanwhile can remain free. But the problem is really this. Whilst all this is happening, another body is found outside the office of the MACC. Again, a public outcry. Again a demand for justice. The police are investigating.</p>
<p>I was at the scene of the crime yesterday. I was told the police had their best team working on the case. The government also says this. Gani Patail also has this at the top of his mind. Justice. And then, guess what? I manage to see the team of forensic pathologists who are working on the case. And there is Dr Prashant. I am impressed. I say hello and of course, the usual hand shakes. I have faith in him.</p>
<p>But hold on a second. Isn’t this the same man the prosecution is having a headache with in respect of Kugan’s case? Is it not the case that Gani Patail has issues with his report in that case and thus the inquiries etc?</p>
<p>So whats going on Gani Patail? Do you trust Dr Prashant or not? If you do why are you wasting time dragging the Kugan case and if you don’t, why is he on the case of Teoh Beng Hock? Mine is a simple conclusion. Gani Patail has faith in Dr Prashant. Well done, Gani Patail! So, how long more are A.Kugan’s parents to wait before any policeman is to be charged for causing their son’s death. Actually, since we are already talking about it, and we know Gani Patail has faith in Dr Prashant, why really is the Kugan case being delayed?</p>
<p>17 July 2009</p>
<p><strong>GOBIND SINGH DEO<br />
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">The MACC should tell us who the complainants are in respect of the investigations against the Selangor Pakatan Assemblymen.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">It is certainly strange that all of a sudden the MACC is investigating not one or two but 12 Pakatan Assemblymen in one go. Was there a general blanket report which was made which covers all Pakatan leaders only? How else would the MACC explain the position?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">The MACC exists to combat corruption. It is a public body and it must be accountable to the public. There have been numerous reports made against certain BN leaders but we don’t see any enthusiasm on part of the MACC to bring these people to book.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">The MACC must not and cannot abuse its power. It cannot launch blanket investigations against groups of people. As I understand it, as is the case in other criminal investigations, a report must be lodged before investigations may commence. But reports are almost always directed at certain factual patterns implicating certain individuals they cannot be general reports ‘just so that MACC officials may knock on anyone’s door to check’.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">The DAP will through its National Legal Bureau write to the MACC for a copy of the report lodged. We will investigate the bona fides of this ‘investigation’. If there is any wrong revealed, we will not hesitate to sue to put things right.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">The MACC should tell us who the complainants are in respect of the investigations against the Selangor Pakatan Assemblymen.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">It is certainly strange that all of a sudden the MACC is investigating not one or two but 12 Pakatan Assemblymen in one go. Was there a general blanket report which was made which covers all Pakatan leaders only? How else would the MACC explain the position?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">The MACC exists to combat corruption. It is a public body and it must be accountable to the public. There have been numerous reports made against certain BN leaders but we don’t see any enthusiasm on part of the MACC to bring these people to book.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">The MACC must not and cannot abuse its power. It cannot launch blanket investigations against groups of people. As I understand it, as is the case in other criminal investigations, a report must be lodged before investigations may commence. But reports are almost always directed at certain factual patterns implicating certain individuals they cannot be general reports ‘just so that MACC officials may knock on anyone’s door to check’.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">&#160;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-align: justify;">The DAP will through its National Legal Bureau write to the MACC for a copy of the report lodged. We will investigate the bona fides of this ‘investigation’. If there is any wrong revealed, we will not hesitate to sue to put things right.</p>
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<p>IN his interview with <em>The Nut Graph</em> yesterday, Puchong Member of Parliament (MP) <a href="http://gobindsinghdeo.blog.com/" target="_blank">Gobind Singh Deo</a> spoke about being suspended from attending the Dewan Rakyat, and how the loss of an MP's salary affects an elected representative's service to constituents.</p>
<p>Gobind, who is blogger Raja Petra Kamarudin's lawyer, was <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/gobind-suspended-from-parliament-for-a-year" target="_blank">suspended</a> for alleging Datuk Seri <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/100096" target="_blank">Najib Razak</a>'s involvement in the Altantuya Shaariibuu murder case during a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8eIC2dq5Gk" target="_blank">parliamentary debate</a>.</p>
<p>In the second and final part of this interview, Gobind talks about raising unpopular questions in Parliament, something his father, DAP chairperson Karpal Singh, is also famous for.</p>
<p>The first-time MP also shares his thoughts on Pakatan Rakyat's future.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.thenutgraph.com/user_uploads/images/2009/06/11/110609_GOBIND_1.jpg" alt="Gobind's long pause" /></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff6600;">TNG</span>: Why do you court controversy by saying certain things? Shouldn't you pick your battles in Parliament?</strong></p>
<p>Gobind: (<em>Long pause)</em></p>
<p><strong>Every time a shouting match happens, the opposition MPs almost always get sent out and it gives BN room to accuse the opposition of creating a ruckus. So what about picking battles?</strong></p>
<p>I guess it's because I'm very straightforward. If I have an issue with someone, it is my style to take the bull by its horns. Most of the time it involves controversial issues as a result of which people get agitated and upset, and they react in a way that invites a lot of anger in response.</p>
<p>But I suppose that is how it is. If you want to ask a question and it's a sensitive one, you have to do it. As an MP, it is my duty to ask those hard questions. Nothing personal against any Member of Parliament. But that [Altantuya case] was an issue which hogs the mind of many people both here and internationally, so it had to be brought up. And I brought it up.</p>
<p><strong>In hindsight, would it have been any different? Maybe you'd still have your salary, had you not used such strong words.</strong></p>
<p>I don't know. Being a Member of Parliament, one has to say what needs to be said. I have no regrets. In any event, the charge against me was not for using such words.</p>
<p>The charge against me is (<em>brings out photocopy of motion</em>) ... the motion against me is that I was alleged to have said that he was involved in a murder case. Which is what was said by a witness in the Raja Petra [Kamarudin] trial. So? In Raja Petra's case, DSP Gan alleged that <a href="http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=389407" target="_blank">Najib</a> was an important witness, and no statement was taken from him. So as an important witness, I wanted to know, what is meant by that. So I asked him.</p>
<p><strong>In your suit against the Speaker, is there the possibility this issue will be brought up?</strong></p>
<p>No, it's not about that. What I said that day remains in Parliament on record. That's that. I'm not going to raise it or repeat it outside Parliament. There is no necessity for me to do so as the PM never challenged me to. This suit is primarily about the procedure and the jurisdiction of the House, whether or not they have the powers to do what they did, and the manner in which they did it.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.thenutgraph.com/user_uploads/images/2009/06/11/110609_GOBIND_2-2.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="215" /></p>
<p><strong>On to other topics. Your father has spoken against PAS's stand on</strong> <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/dap-threatens-to-leave-pakatan-rakyat-over-hudud" target="_blank"><strong>hudud law</strong></a><strong>, and although</strong> <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy" target="_blank"><strong>Pakatan</strong></a> <strong>as an alliance has agreed to disagree, what are your thoughts, will this become a divisive issue in the future?</strong></p>
<p>I think it is definitely a sore point which needs to be addressed. PAS is pushing for an <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/islamic-state-actually" target="_blank">Islamic state</a>. The DAP always maintains and is firm that this is not an Islamic state, it's a secular state. I have personally met with many leaders of PAS and I listen to them, and I believe that at the end of the day, they can subscribe to a particular line of thought, that, in so far as they are concerned, this is what they prefer. But the reality does not allow them to go ahead with it.</p>
<p>Look at the respective Pakatan states, this is the reality of it. This is the model on which we hope to build an alternative Malaysian government. Various parties with various ideologies, but at the end of the day, when it comes to ruling, it is accepted that we will continue consistently with what is provided for in the Federal Constitution. If PAS were to push for an Islamic state, we would not agree. And that is why we are there. We have consistently said we do not agree, and they accept our stand.</p>
<p><strong>They accept for now.</strong></p>
<p>Yes, for now.</p>
<p><strong>So what does the future hold?</strong></p>
<p>Having come from an opposition point of view and now having been given the opportunity to govern together in the last one year or so, we see the reality of it.</p>
<p><strong>You're <em>hoping</em> they will see the reality of it and stick with it.</strong></p>
<p>I think they do. And that's the reason why they govern with us, despite the fact that we've said in no uncertain terms that we won't concede to an Islamic state. So now it's a question of us working together, using this model and then coming to a point when they have to decide whether they are comfortable, whether we are comfortable, and I think as far as all the parties are concerned, everyone is comfortable with the current formula.</p>
<p>So I see this as a practical way in which all three parties recognise the limitations that exists, and recognise the requirement for cooperation in order for us to govern together.</p>
<p>But ultimately, this issue must be dealt with in more detail by the leadership.</p>
<p><strong>Who do you think needs the other more — PAS needs DAP and PKR more, or the other way around?</strong></p>
<p>I think all three need each other. Depends on which state and which issues, I don't think there's one blanket answer.</p>
<p><strong>So the future of Pakatan parties is to remain in alliance?</strong></p>
<p>Yes. Yes.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.thenutgraph.com/user_uploads/images/2009/06/11/110609_GOBIND_3.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p><strong>Your thoughts on Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, is he really the only person who can hold Pakatan together?</strong></p>
<p>Anwar Ibrahim is <em>a</em> person who can hold Pakatan together, but he should not be seen as the only person who can do that. At present, it appears that that is the case. So I think it is important for younger leaders to be groomed, who have similar capabilities, and I see a few currently who can do that. You can look beyond just PKR. You have some leaders like this in PAS and also DAP.</p>
<p>As an example, Datuk Seri (Mohammad) Nizar (Jamaluddin). Look at the Perak formula. I think that is Malaysia at its best. You [have] a menteri besar who is from PAS, a Speaker who is Indian [Malaysian] from DAP, and the Chinese [Malaysians] rallying all around them without any barriers. Let's look at that model.</p>
<p>And one may argue that they represent a better model than what we have at [the] federal level of Pakatan. Look at how they work in Perak. They recognise the attacks coming from the outside in which time they must unite in order to fight. They have such a strong bond there.</p>
<p>At Pakatan federal level, people still notice the divisions in the way we work.</p>
<p><strong>Like the BN?</strong></p>
<p>That's right. There's division, although it's not racial, but in the way the parties operate. But you go to Perak and people don't know or don't care which party Nizar or which party (Speaker V) Sivakumar is from.</p>
<p>But that's the point. In times of hardship you look at the greater picture, the need for you to build that relationship that extends beyond smaller argumentative points.</p>
<p><strong>Is PKR too dominant within the Pakatan alliance?</strong></p>
<p>No, it's not.</p>
<p><strong>But it can reach both Malay Malaysians and non-Malay Malaysians whereas DAP is largely Chinese Malaysian-orientated.</strong></p>
<p>You'd be surprised. I won't say that DAP has got as [many] Malay Malaysian members as PKR or PAS, but it has got support. Like in Penang, a lot of Malay Malaysians there feel they can work with (Chief Minister) Lim Guan Eng. That's something I've heard consistently, even from people in Umno.</p>
<p>They are concerned that Guan Eng is able to reach out to the Malay [Malaysians]. If this is the new model for the next generation of DAP leaders, these are leaders who've been able to break the barrier in reaching out across races. And these are signs of what is to come for DAP, greater strength for DAP at the grassroots levels.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.thenutgraph.com/user_uploads/images/2009/06/11/110609_GOBIND_4.jpg" alt="Quote" width="550" height="184" /></p>
<p><strong>You and your father are perhaps the most prominent Sikh politicians in Malaysia, any thoughts about this?</strong></p>
<p>One of the main problems with MIC is that it has failed to build Sikh leaders. I know many Sikhs who have worked very hard for MIC. They've spent time, they've campaigned, lobbied and built the party up for years. Many still do. Even the founding fathers of MIC consisted of Sikhs as well. But you find the Sikhs not getting what they deserve. Not just them, but the other Indian [Malaysians]. Even in the party itself.</p>
<p>So then you look back and you recognise that the party has not given much thought towards building Sikhs in Malaysia. In DAP, we have four Sikh elected representatives. My father and I at parliamentary level, and two assemblypersons, Keshvinder Singh in Malim Nawar, Perak and Jagdeep Singh, my elder brother, in Datok Keramat in Penang. So we hope to open it up more. But in the DAP it's never been a question of looking at race but how much a person has contributed to the party and the party recognising his [or her] work. <img src="http://www.thenutgraph.com/user_uploads/images/2008/12/15/FAVICON.gif" alt="Favicon" width="17" height="16" /></p>
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<p>IN his interview with <em>The Nut Graph</em> yesterday, Puchong Member of Parliament (MP) <a href="http://gobindsinghdeo.blog.com/" target="_blank">Gobind Singh Deo</a> spoke about being suspended from attending the Dewan Rakyat, and how the loss of an MP&#8217;s salary affects an elected representative&#8217;s service to constituents.</p>
<p>Gobind, who is blogger Raja Petra Kamarudin&#8217;s lawyer, was <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/gobind-suspended-from-parliament-for-a-year" target="_blank">suspended</a> for alleging Datuk Seri <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/100096" target="_blank">Najib Razak</a>&#8217;s involvement in the Altantuya Shaariibuu murder case during a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8eIC2dq5Gk" target="_blank">parliamentary debate</a>.</p>
<p>In the second and final part of this interview, Gobind talks about raising unpopular questions in Parliament, something his father, DAP chairperson Karpal Singh, is also famous for.</p>
<p>The first-time MP also shares his thoughts on Pakatan Rakyat&#8217;s future.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.thenutgraph.com/user_uploads/images/2009/06/11/110609_GOBIND_1.jpg" alt="Gobind's long pause" /></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff6600;">TNG</span>: Why do you court controversy by saying certain things? Shouldn&#8217;t you pick your battles in Parliament?</strong></p>
<p>Gobind: (<em>Long pause)</em></p>
<p><strong>Every time a shouting match happens, the opposition MPs almost always get sent out and it gives BN room to accuse the opposition of creating a ruckus. So what about picking battles?</strong></p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m very straightforward. If I have an issue with someone, it is my style to take the bull by its horns. Most of the time it involves controversial issues as a result of which people get agitated and upset, and they react in a way that invites a lot of anger in response.</p>
<p>But I suppose that is how it is. If you want to ask a question and it&#8217;s a sensitive one, you have to do it. As an MP, it is my duty to ask those hard questions. Nothing personal against any Member of Parliament. But that [Altantuya case] was an issue which hogs the mind of many people both here and internationally, so it had to be brought up. And I brought it up.</p>
<p><strong>In hindsight, would it have been any different? Maybe you&#8217;d still have your salary, had you not used such strong words.</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. Being a Member of Parliament, one has to say what needs to be said. I have no regrets. In any event, the charge against me was not for using such words.</p>
<p>The charge against me is (<em>brings out photocopy of motion</em>) &#8230; the motion against me is that I was alleged to have said that he was involved in a murder case. Which is what was said by a witness in the Raja Petra [Kamarudin] trial. So? In Raja Petra&#8217;s case, DSP Gan alleged that <a href="http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=389407" target="_blank">Najib</a> was an important witness, and no statement was taken from him. So as an important witness, I wanted to know, what is meant by that. So I asked him.</p>
<p><strong>In your suit against the Speaker, is there the possibility this issue will be brought up?</strong></p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not about that. What I said that day remains in Parliament on record. That&#8217;s that. I&#8217;m not going to raise it or repeat it outside Parliament. There is no necessity for me to do so as the PM never challenged me to. This suit is primarily about the procedure and the jurisdiction of the House, whether or not they have the powers to do what they did, and the manner in which they did it.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.thenutgraph.com/user_uploads/images/2009/06/11/110609_GOBIND_2-2.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="215" /></p>
<p><strong>On to other topics. Your father has spoken against PAS&#8217;s stand on</strong> <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/dap-threatens-to-leave-pakatan-rakyat-over-hudud" target="_blank"><strong>hudud law</strong></a><strong>, and although</strong> <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/hudud-not-pakatan-rakyat-policy" target="_blank"><strong>Pakatan</strong></a> <strong>as an alliance has agreed to disagree, what are your thoughts, will this become a divisive issue in the future?</strong></p>
<p>I think it is definitely a sore point which needs to be addressed. PAS is pushing for an <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/islamic-state-actually" target="_blank">Islamic state</a>. The DAP always maintains and is firm that this is not an Islamic state, it&#8217;s a secular state. I have personally met with many leaders of PAS and I listen to them, and I believe that at the end of the day, they can subscribe to a particular line of thought, that, in so far as they are concerned, this is what they prefer. But the reality does not allow them to go ahead with it.</p>
<p>Look at the respective Pakatan states, this is the reality of it. This is the model on which we hope to build an alternative Malaysian government. Various parties with various ideologies, but at the end of the day, when it comes to ruling, it is accepted that we will continue consistently with what is provided for in the Federal Constitution. If PAS were to push for an Islamic state, we would not agree. And that is why we are there. We have consistently said we do not agree, and they accept our stand.</p>
<p><strong>They accept for now.</strong></p>
<p>Yes, for now.</p>
<p><strong>So what does the future hold?</strong></p>
<p>Having come from an opposition point of view and now having been given the opportunity to govern together in the last one year or so, we see the reality of it.</p>
<p><strong>You&#8217;re <em>hoping</em> they will see the reality of it and stick with it.</strong></p>
<p>I think they do. And that&#8217;s the reason why they govern with us, despite the fact that we&#8217;ve said in no uncertain terms that we won&#8217;t concede to an Islamic state. So now it&#8217;s a question of us working together, using this model and then coming to a point when they have to decide whether they are comfortable, whether we are comfortable, and I think as far as all the parties are concerned, everyone is comfortable with the current formula.</p>
<p>So I see this as a practical way in which all three parties recognise the limitations that exists, and recognise the requirement for cooperation in order for us to govern together.</p>
<p>But ultimately, this issue must be dealt with in more detail by the leadership.</p>
<p><strong>Who do you think needs the other more — PAS needs DAP and PKR more, or the other way around?</strong></p>
<p>I think all three need each other. Depends on which state and which issues, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s one blanket answer.</p>
<p><strong>So the future of Pakatan parties is to remain in alliance?</strong></p>
<p>Yes. Yes.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.thenutgraph.com/user_uploads/images/2009/06/11/110609_GOBIND_3.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p><strong>Your thoughts on Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, is he really the only person who can hold Pakatan together?</strong></p>
<p>Anwar Ibrahim is <em>a</em> person who can hold Pakatan together, but he should not be seen as the only person who can do that. At present, it appears that that is the case. So I think it is important for younger leaders to be groomed, who have similar capabilities, and I see a few currently who can do that. You can look beyond just PKR. You have some leaders like this in PAS and also DAP.</p>
<p>As an example, Datuk Seri (Mohammad) Nizar (Jamaluddin). Look at the Perak formula. I think that is Malaysia at its best. You [have] a menteri besar who is from PAS, a Speaker who is Indian [Malaysian] from DAP, and the Chinese [Malaysians] rallying all around them without any barriers. Let&#8217;s look at that model.</p>
<p>And one may argue that they represent a better model than what we have at [the] federal level of Pakatan. Look at how they work in Perak. They recognise the attacks coming from the outside in which time they must unite in order to fight. They have such a strong bond there.</p>
<p>At Pakatan federal level, people still notice the divisions in the way we work.</p>
<p><strong>Like the BN?</strong></p>
<p>That&#8217;s right. There&#8217;s division, although it&#8217;s not racial, but in the way the parties operate. But you go to Perak and people don&#8217;t know or don&#8217;t care which party Nizar or which party (Speaker V) Sivakumar is from.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s the point. In times of hardship you look at the greater picture, the need for you to build that relationship that extends beyond smaller argumentative points.</p>
<p><strong>Is PKR too dominant within the Pakatan alliance?</strong></p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p><strong>But it can reach both Malay Malaysians and non-Malay Malaysians whereas DAP is largely Chinese Malaysian-orientated.</strong></p>
<p>You&#8217;d be surprised. I won&#8217;t say that DAP has got as [many] Malay Malaysian members as PKR or PAS, but it has got support. Like in Penang, a lot of Malay Malaysians there feel they can work with (Chief Minister) Lim Guan Eng. That&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve heard consistently, even from people in Umno.</p>
<p>They are concerned that Guan Eng is able to reach out to the Malay [Malaysians]. If this is the new model for the next generation of DAP leaders, these are leaders who&#8217;ve been able to break the barrier in reaching out across races. And these are signs of what is to come for DAP, greater strength for DAP at the grassroots levels.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.thenutgraph.com/user_uploads/images/2009/06/11/110609_GOBIND_4.jpg" alt="Quote" width="550" height="184" /></p>
<p><strong>You and your father are perhaps the most prominent Sikh politicians in Malaysia, any thoughts about this?</strong></p>
<p>One of the main problems with MIC is that it has failed to build Sikh leaders. I know many Sikhs who have worked very hard for MIC. They&#8217;ve spent time, they&#8217;ve campaigned, lobbied and built the party up for years. Many still do. Even the founding fathers of MIC consisted of Sikhs as well. But you find the Sikhs not getting what they deserve. Not just them, but the other Indian [Malaysians]. Even in the party itself.</p>
<p>So then you look back and you recognise that the party has not given much thought towards building Sikhs in Malaysia. In DAP, we have four Sikh elected representatives. My father and I at parliamentary level, and two assemblypersons, Keshvinder Singh in Malim Nawar, Perak and Jagdeep Singh, my elder brother, in Datok Keramat in Penang. So we hope to open it up more. But in the DAP it&#8217;s never been a question of looking at race but how much a person has contributed to the party and the party recognising his [or her] work. <img src="http://www.thenutgraph.com/user_uploads/images/2008/12/15/FAVICON.gif" alt="Favicon" width="17" height="16" /></p>
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		<dc:creator>Gobind Singh Deo        MP for Puchong</dc:creator>
		
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Gobind Singh Deo</p>
<p>HAVING a famous father helps, but first-time Member of Parliament (MP) Gobind Singh Deo, 38, has carved his own reputation as a lawyer and a politician.</p>
<p>The "little lion of Puchong" as he is fondly known, has become as well known as his father for being thrown out of Parliament sittings.</p>
<p>On 16 March, he was <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/gobind-suspended-from-parliament-for-a-year" target="_blank">suspended</a> from attending the Dewan Rakyat and stripped of his salary and allowances for one year, for alleging during a parliamentary debate that then Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak was involved in the <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/100096" target="_blank">Altantuya Shaariibuu</a> murder.</p>
<p>The Puchong MP from DAP is <a href="http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/4/23/nation/20090423120151&#38;sec=nation" target="_blank">challenging</a> his suspension in court with a suit against the <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/gobind-to-take-speaker-to-court" target="_blank">Dewan Rakyat speaker</a>, Minister in the Prime Minister's Department Datuk Seri Nazri Aziz, the Dewan Rakyat secretary, and the federal government.</p>
<p>In the first of a two-part interview with <em>The Nut Graph</em>, Gobind talks about his suit and explains that the consequence of such decisions by legislative assemblies not only impact elected representatives, but the constituents they serve.</p>
<p><strong>TNG: Have you got the trial date for your suit against the Dewan Rakyat speaker?</strong></p>
<p>Gobind: Not yet, although we've asked for an early date, specifically before 15 June when the next session of Parliament begins. I am hopeful, despite it being against the odds.</p>
<p><strong>What have you been doing since your suspension?</strong></p>
<p>I've been making it a point to go to my constituency even more often. We have events mostly over the weekends when people are around. During the week, there's still a lot of political activity like talks and conferences. So apart from the fact of physically being unable to go to Parliament, nothing has changed. It's still a political life for me.</p>
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<p><strong>What weekend programmes do you hold for your constituents?</strong></p>
<p>I make it a point to visit a market every weekend for morning walkabouts. Then a breakfast meeting with my committee members and residents. Then I rotate my visits to my three service centres, one in Bandar Puchong Jaya, one in Batu 14 Puchong, and recently we opened one in Seri Serdang. At the centres, we try to solve people's problems on the spot, or get MPSJ (Subang Jaya Municipal Council) councillors to assist with more complex problems. I always move around with some MPSJ councillors. Then I have meetings to plan for our events and on national issues which I feel strongly about. I make it a point to speak to my committee about these issues before statements are made so they have a feel of politics, not only at [the] constituency level but so they also understand how an MP works.</p>
<p><strong>How are you funding your work in your constituency now that your parliamentary income has been suspended?</strong></p>
<p>I've not had my MP's salary since the middle of March. The service centres are currently funded by donations and money from fundraisers. There are also volunteers who consistently help. A large portion of my parliamentary salary was channelled to the service centres. After it was taken away, I've faced some difficulty but somehow we manage. I used to pay the volunteers allowances to cover their petrol or phone calls and now they don't receive anything, but they continue to work and they don't even ask because they feel strongly about the cause. It is during these difficult times that you realise [that] about the people you work with, and how they feel about the cause.</p>
<p><strong>You are using personal funds?</strong></p>
<p>Yes, I've had to resort to that. I have a legal practice. It's not particularly big, but it helps.</p>
<p><strong>How much of your firm's earnings do you put into your constituency?</strong></p>
<p>It ranges between RM5,000 and RM10,000 a month. I just spend it as and when needed. Like you go for a wedding and you make a contribution, then I go to another wedding and another contribution, and then another function at a temple ... The amount includes spending on the upkeep of my service centres. I'm also getting some help from a special fund set up by the Selangor government at the beginning of this year. It is a fund for all MPs in the state.</p>
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<p><strong>How much does an MP get from this fund?</strong></p>
<p>It's a total of RM150,000 a year of which RM100,000 is used for various community-orientated purposes, and RM50,000 goes towards the upkeep of your service centres. You get the funding through making claims.</p>
<p><strong>It's been said that an <a href="http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/3/31/nation/20798707&#38;sec=nation" target="_blank">MP's salary</a> is often</strong> <strong>not enough</strong> <strong>to do constituency work.</strong></p>
<p>MPs don't get enough at all. Even the salary we get, we struggle with that. Imagine how it is when you have to survive without that salary. It sets you back about RM2,500 [a month] to run one service centre. Being an MP, you attend a lot of functions, so there are a lot of times you make contributions. These expenses dig very deep into the MP's pocket, in particular if you're from the Opposition because you do not get the peruntukan that government MPs get.</p>
<p><strong>What is this peruntukan? Is it from the federal government?</strong></p>
<p>All MPs are supposed to get a special allocation set aside for <a href="http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=331635" target="_blank">each constituency</a>. The practice has been such that Barisan Nasional MPs get it but the Opposition MPs don't. That's been the norm.</p>
<p><strong>How much is this entitlement?</strong></p>
<p>I don't know the figure because I've never got it. But this has been an issue we've raised in Parliament before.</p>
<p><strong>Who do you take up this complaint with?</strong></p>
<p>We raise it in debates in the Dewan and ask the prime minister to explain. Their argument is that the allocation exists and it is up to us to make the application, but we don't get it.</p>
<p><strong>Who are you supposed to apply to?</strong></p>
<p>The district officer is one person; there are various different people. It's not channelled through one agency or one office.</p>
<p><strong>All the Pakatan Rakyat MPs are not getting this allocation?</strong></p>
<p>Many aren't. I don't know if it affects all.</p>
<p><strong>How much is an</strong> <a href="http://www.agc.gov.my/agc/Akta/Vol.%205/Act%20237.pdf" target="_blank"><strong>MP's salary</strong></a> <strong>with other</strong> <a href="http://www.parlimen.gov.my/eng-statute235.html" target="_blank"><strong>privileges and benefits</strong></a><strong>?</strong></p>
<p>In total it comes up to RM15,000, plus allowances, including an office allowance and for a driver. It is separate from the special federal allocation we have to apply for.</p>
<p><strong>In your suit against the Dewan Rakyat speaker, what are the constitutionally, or maybe ethical, points that you are trying to prove?</strong></p>
<p>That's a long one. I'll take it in stages. I've just written a press statement that I'm against the suspension of [former Selangor Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Dr] <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/gobind-against-suspending-khir-toyo-allowances" target="_blank">Khir Toyo</a>'s allowances.</p>
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<p>Now, the motion against me in Parliament sought to suspend me not only from attending the Dewan Rakyat but it went further and it read that I am suspended as MP. Ordinarily, as in the case of Lim Kit Siang, Karpal Singh and Fong Poh Kuan, the motions are clear that they are only suspended from attending the Dewan Rakyat sittings. So to my mind, the Dewan can only do that much to suspend you from attending the sitting. But it cannot suspend you as an MP because you become an MP by way of election. So to me, the Dewan Rakyat went beyond its powers.</p>
<p>The second aspect is the fact that after the motion was tabled, the charge was read, and I was never given a chance to defend myself. I was fully prepared to defend myself. I'm a lawyer by profession; I don't make statements without basis. And it was most disappointing when the Speaker of Parliament denied my request to speak. Disappointing because Parliament is supposed to be the seat of democracy. Parliament is supposed to uphold fundamental rights such as the right to be heard. If you were going to suspend me, to take away my allowances, then it follows as night would day, that I be given my right to speak. You must hear somebody before you condemn [him/her]. How can you condemn someone unheard? What if [he/she] can defend [him/herself]? What if you have made a mistake? These are basic tenets of fundamental justice. Having been denied that right in Parliament, it's changed my entire perception of parliamentary democracy in this country. There's no democracy in Parliament.</p>
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Gobind Singh</p>
<p>The third part is in respect of salary and remuneration. Unlike in England, where Parliament is supreme, we are different. England does not have a written constitution but we do here. And it's crystal clear in Article 4 of the Federal Constitution that the constitution is supreme. The provision with regards to allowances of an MP is provided for in the constitution. Article 64 says Parliament shall by law provide for the remuneration of each house. So it's a constitutional provision. The argument here is this: can the Dewan Rakyat pass a motion which is against an expressed provision of the constitution? To me it cannot be done. It's unconstitutional, simple as that. Unlike England where Parliament can do whatever it wants because it's supreme. But here it's not supreme. Parliament is subservient to the constitution.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, this suit is filed on principle, not so much the salary. Members of Parliament do more than just attend sittings. The greater part of it is going to the constituency and serving as a Member of Parliament there. Serving the people incurs cost, and the speaker should have thought of that.</p>
<p>I thinks around 85% of the MPs, particularly those from Pakatan, are full-time. They don't have any other profession or source of income to fall back on. These people also have their overheads and liabilities. What would happen to them if by just the stroke of the pen their livelihood is taken away?</p>
<p>And if you were an MP who relied solely on income from Parliament, knowing it could be taken away so easily, by a simple majority in the house, would you be able to carry out your duties without fear or favour? Would you want to say things which would upset the majority, knowing that they could destroy you? I'm lucky because I have my legal practice to fall on. So what do rulings like this do? MPs are supposed to go to Parliament to speak their mind, and sometimes what they say may be very serious and very sensitive. <img src="http://www.thenutgraph.com/user_uploads/images/2008/12/15/FAVICON.gif" alt="" width="17" height="16" /></p>
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Gobind Singh Deo</p>
<p>HAVING a famous father helps, but first-time Member of Parliament (MP) Gobind Singh Deo, 38, has carved his own reputation as a lawyer and a politician.</p>
<p>The &#8220;little lion of Puchong&#8221; as he is fondly known, has become as well known as his father for being thrown out of Parliament sittings.</p>
<p>On 16 March, he was <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/gobind-suspended-from-parliament-for-a-year" target="_blank">suspended</a> from attending the Dewan Rakyat and stripped of his salary and allowances for one year, for alleging during a parliamentary debate that then Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak was involved in the <a href="http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/100096" target="_blank">Altantuya Shaariibuu</a> murder.</p>
<p>The Puchong MP from DAP is <a href="http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/4/23/nation/20090423120151&amp;sec=nation" target="_blank">challenging</a> his suspension in court with a suit against the <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/gobind-to-take-speaker-to-court" target="_blank">Dewan Rakyat speaker</a>, Minister in the Prime Minister&#8217;s Department Datuk Seri Nazri Aziz, the Dewan Rakyat secretary, and the federal government.</p>
<p>In the first of a two-part interview with <em>The Nut Graph</em>, Gobind talks about his suit and explains that the consequence of such decisions by legislative assemblies not only impact elected representatives, but the constituents they serve.</p>
<p><strong>TNG: Have you got the trial date for your suit against the Dewan Rakyat speaker?</strong></p>
<p>Gobind: Not yet, although we&#8217;ve asked for an early date, specifically before 15 June when the next session of Parliament begins. I am hopeful, despite it being against the odds.</p>
<p><strong>What have you been doing since your suspension?</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been making it a point to go to my constituency even more often. We have events mostly over the weekends when people are around. During the week, there&#8217;s still a lot of political activity like talks and conferences. So apart from the fact of physically being unable to go to Parliament, nothing has changed. It&#8217;s still a political life for me.</p>
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<p><strong>What weekend programmes do you hold for your constituents?</strong></p>
<p>I make it a point to visit a market every weekend for morning walkabouts. Then a breakfast meeting with my committee members and residents. Then I rotate my visits to my three service centres, one in Bandar Puchong Jaya, one in Batu 14 Puchong, and recently we opened one in Seri Serdang. At the centres, we try to solve people&#8217;s problems on the spot, or get MPSJ (Subang Jaya Municipal Council) councillors to assist with more complex problems. I always move around with some MPSJ councillors. Then I have meetings to plan for our events and on national issues which I feel strongly about. I make it a point to speak to my committee about these issues before statements are made so they have a feel of politics, not only at [the] constituency level but so they also understand how an MP works.</p>
<p><strong>How are you funding your work in your constituency now that your parliamentary income has been suspended?</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not had my MP&#8217;s salary since the middle of March. The service centres are currently funded by donations and money from fundraisers. There are also volunteers who consistently help. A large portion of my parliamentary salary was channelled to the service centres. After it was taken away, I&#8217;ve faced some difficulty but somehow we manage. I used to pay the volunteers allowances to cover their petrol or phone calls and now they don&#8217;t receive anything, but they continue to work and they don&#8217;t even ask because they feel strongly about the cause. It is during these difficult times that you realise [that] about the people you work with, and how they feel about the cause.</p>
<p><strong>You are using personal funds?</strong></p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve had to resort to that. I have a legal practice. It&#8217;s not particularly big, but it helps.</p>
<p><strong>How much of your firm&#8217;s earnings do you put into your constituency?</strong></p>
<p>It ranges between RM5,000 and RM10,000 a month. I just spend it as and when needed. Like you go for a wedding and you make a contribution, then I go to another wedding and another contribution, and then another function at a temple &#8230; The amount includes spending on the upkeep of my service centres. I&#8217;m also getting some help from a special fund set up by the Selangor government at the beginning of this year. It is a fund for all MPs in the state.</p>
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<p><strong>How much does an MP get from this fund?</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a total of RM150,000 a year of which RM100,000 is used for various community-orientated purposes, and RM50,000 goes towards the upkeep of your service centres. You get the funding through making claims.</p>
<p><strong>It&#8217;s been said that an <a href="http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/3/31/nation/20798707&amp;sec=nation" target="_blank">MP&#8217;s salary</a> is often</strong> <strong>not enough</strong> <strong>to do constituency work.</strong></p>
<p>MPs don&#8217;t get enough at all. Even the salary we get, we struggle with that. Imagine how it is when you have to survive without that salary. It sets you back about RM2,500 [a month] to run one service centre. Being an MP, you attend a lot of functions, so there are a lot of times you make contributions. These expenses dig very deep into the MP&#8217;s pocket, in particular if you&#8217;re from the Opposition because you do not get the peruntukan that government MPs get.</p>
<p><strong>What is this peruntukan? Is it from the federal government?</strong></p>
<p>All MPs are supposed to get a special allocation set aside for <a href="http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=331635" target="_blank">each constituency</a>. The practice has been such that Barisan Nasional MPs get it but the Opposition MPs don&#8217;t. That&#8217;s been the norm.</p>
<p><strong>How much is this entitlement?</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the figure because I&#8217;ve never got it. But this has been an issue we&#8217;ve raised in Parliament before.</p>
<p><strong>Who do you take up this complaint with?</strong></p>
<p>We raise it in debates in the Dewan and ask the prime minister to explain. Their argument is that the allocation exists and it is up to us to make the application, but we don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p><strong>Who are you supposed to apply to?</strong></p>
<p>The district officer is one person; there are various different people. It&#8217;s not channelled through one agency or one office.</p>
<p><strong>All the Pakatan Rakyat MPs are not getting this allocation?</strong></p>
<p>Many aren&#8217;t. I don&#8217;t know if it affects all.</p>
<p><strong>How much is an</strong> <a href="http://www.agc.gov.my/agc/Akta/Vol.%205/Act%20237.pdf" target="_blank"><strong>MP&#8217;s salary</strong></a> <strong>with other</strong> <a href="http://www.parlimen.gov.my/eng-statute235.html" target="_blank"><strong>privileges and benefits</strong></a><strong>?</strong></p>
<p>In total it comes up to RM15,000, plus allowances, including an office allowance and for a driver. It is separate from the special federal allocation we have to apply for.</p>
<p><strong>In your suit against the Dewan Rakyat speaker, what are the constitutionally, or maybe ethical, points that you are trying to prove?</strong></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a long one. I&#8217;ll take it in stages. I&#8217;ve just written a press statement that I&#8217;m against the suspension of [former Selangor Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Dr] <a href="http://www.thenutgraph.com/gobind-against-suspending-khir-toyo-allowances" target="_blank">Khir Toyo</a>&#8217;s allowances.</p>
<p class="pixLeft"><img src="http://www.thenutgraph.com/user_uploads/images/2009/05/26/GobindQ3.jpg" alt="" width="265" height="171" /></p>
<p>Now, the motion against me in Parliament sought to suspend me not only from attending the Dewan Rakyat but it went further and it read that I am suspended as MP. Ordinarily, as in the case of Lim Kit Siang, Karpal Singh and Fong Poh Kuan, the motions are clear that they are only suspended from attending the Dewan Rakyat sittings. So to my mind, the Dewan can only do that much to suspend you from attending the sitting. But it cannot suspend you as an MP because you become an MP by way of election. So to me, the Dewan Rakyat went beyond its powers.</p>
<p>The second aspect is the fact that after the motion was tabled, the charge was read, and I was never given a chance to defend myself. I was fully prepared to defend myself. I&#8217;m a lawyer by profession; I don&#8217;t make statements without basis. And it was most disappointing when the Speaker of Parliament denied my request to speak. Disappointing because Parliament is supposed to be the seat of democracy. Parliament is supposed to uphold fundamental rights such as the right to be heard. If you were going to suspend me, to take away my allowances, then it follows as night would day, that I be given my right to speak. You must hear somebody before you condemn [him/her]. How can you condemn someone unheard? What if [he/she] can defend [him/herself]? What if you have made a mistake? These are basic tenets of fundamental justice. Having been denied that right in Parliament, it&#8217;s changed my entire perception of parliamentary democracy in this country. There&#8217;s no democracy in Parliament.</p>
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Gobind Singh</p>
<p>The third part is in respect of salary and remuneration. Unlike in England, where Parliament is supreme, we are different. England does not have a written constitution but we do here. And it&#8217;s crystal clear in Article 4 of the Federal Constitution that the constitution is supreme. The provision with regards to allowances of an MP is provided for in the constitution. Article 64 says Parliament shall by law provide for the remuneration of each house. So it&#8217;s a constitutional provision. The argument here is this: can the Dewan Rakyat pass a motion which is against an expressed provision of the constitution? To me it cannot be done. It&#8217;s unconstitutional, simple as that. Unlike England where Parliament can do whatever it wants because it&#8217;s supreme. But here it&#8217;s not supreme. Parliament is subservient to the constitution.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, this suit is filed on principle, not so much the salary. Members of Parliament do more than just attend sittings. The greater part of it is going to the constituency and serving as a Member of Parliament there. Serving the people incurs cost, and the speaker should have thought of that.</p>
<p>I thinks around 85% of the MPs, particularly those from Pakatan, are full-time. They don&#8217;t have any other profession or source of income to fall back on. These people also have their overheads and liabilities. What would happen to them if by just the stroke of the pen their livelihood is taken away?</p>
<p>And if you were an MP who relied solely on income from Parliament, knowing it could be taken away so easily, by a simple majority in the house, would you be able to carry out your duties without fear or favour? Would you want to say things which would upset the majority, knowing that they could destroy you? I&#8217;m lucky because I have my legal practice to fall on. So what do rulings like this do? MPs are supposed to go to Parliament to speak their mind, and sometimes what they say may be very serious and very sensitive. <img src="http://www.thenutgraph.com/user_uploads/images/2008/12/15/FAVICON.gif" alt="" width="17" height="16" /></p>
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		<title>Student: Cops beat me black and blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gobind Singh Deo        MP for Puchong</dc:creator>
		
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Little did 20-year-old college student Koh Chon Weng suspect that a night out at a club with friends would turn out to be an experience he would never forget.<br />
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<img src="http://media1.malaysiakini.com/187/8323595ff68cbbe73384b2b4487f47eb.jpg" alt="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 01" title="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 01" width="200" align="right" height="280" />The youth, who still bears the scars of his ordeal, claimed that he was arrested and beaten up by a number of police officers for no apparent reason.<br />
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"I was handcuffed, punched and kicked for several minutes. And when I spat the blood which oozed out from my mouth on the floor, I was beaten again for this," recalled the soft-spoken accounting student at a press conference in the DAP headquarters in Petaling Jaya.<br />
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His friends, who accompanied Koh to the press conference, expressed shock over the incident.<br />
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"He is not capable of committing any crime. He is such a mild-mannered person. We are so disappointed by this. It can happen to any of us," lamented one of them.<br />
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<img src="http://media1.malaysiakini.com/187/396a01d01d17040b797f452ac8b33d43.jpg" alt="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 02" title="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 02" width="203" align="left" height="266" />On May 24, Koh said he was walking towards his car at the basement of a popular mall in Bandar Sunway at about 3am after patronising an entertainment outlet when he was approached by a personnel from the auxiliary police unit.<br />
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"He grabbed me and told me that I was being arrested. I asked him why but he did not answer. I was then taken to the Bandar Sunway police station and handed over to two police officers.<br />
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"I refused to enter the police station and kept insisting on the reason for my arrest. The police officers ignored my question and handcuffed me. They then dragged me into the police station," he claimed.<br />
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"A struggle ensued and my right foot knocked against the glass door, causing it to shatter," he added.<br />
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<span class="subtitle">'Punched and kicked'</span><br />
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In his report lodged at the Brickfields police station on June 3, Koh said the two police officers subsequently became enraged and started verbally abusing him.<br />
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"They then beat me, including kicking me in the hips and punching my ear. Because of this, my mouth and my lips started to bleed. My right eye, left hand and forehead were swollen.<br />
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<img src="http://media1.malaysiakini.com/187/ed1345c7639ea48aa9090bd21345a801.jpg" alt="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 05" title="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 05" align="right" />"Another policeman then challenged me to a fight but I refused," he added.<br />
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Koh was later subjected to a urine test by the anti-narcotics department and the results cleared him of any illicit substance.<br />
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He was then taken to the Subang Jaya district police headquarters.<br />
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At about 11am, he was brought to the Magistrate's Court to be remanded. Here, the student said he had complained to the magistrate about the 'beating' but was allegedly told that he could only report it after he was released.<br />
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Later that night, he was taken for a medical examination at about 10pm.<br />
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Koh said he could not contact his parents to inform them of his whereabouts and his mobile phone was damaged during the alleged assault.<br />
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He was released on May 26 at about 6pm and is still in the dark as to why he was arrested and subjected to such treatment.<br />
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<span class="subtitle">'Injuries were self-inflicted'</span><br />
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His father, who was also present at the press conference, said a police officer had told him that his son's injuries were self-inflicted.<br />
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<img src="http://media1.malaysiakini.com/187/2b9135be803b518748b0bd54b6c5c9cd.jpg" alt="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 03" title="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 03" align="left" />The visibly vexed Koh Teck Youn said he and his wife went looking for their son when he failed to return home.<br />
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"We went from one police station to another and finally we found out that he was at the Subang Jaya police station.<br />
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"I spoke to the investigating officer and was allowed to see my son at about 5pm. I was shocked by his injuries and pleaded for them to get him medical attention," he said.<br />
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"When I asked them why he was arrested, the police officer said that my son had assaulted a policeman and broke the glass door.<br />
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"As for his injuries, I was told that my son had knocked himself against the wall," added the 50-year-old mechanic with the look of disbelief etched on his face.<br />
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<span class="subtitle">Pursue legal action<br /></span><br />
Meanwhile, Puchong MP Gobind Singh Deo expressed disappointment over the incident and called for swift action.<br />
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He said the police had allegedly violated the law from the onset when they failed to inform Koh of the reason of his arrest.<br />
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Secondly, he said the student was handcuffed and therefore should not have been subjected to physical force.<br />
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"Although the law permits the use of a certain degree of force to restrain a suspect, in this case, the police officers were bigger than him and he was in handcuffs. So was the use of force necessary?" he added.<br />
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<img src="http://media1.malaysiakini.com/187/e8f820c8c643d13618230896f35d0423.jpg" alt="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 07" title="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 07" align="right" />Gobind said it was fortunate that Koh was still able to relate his ordeal.<br />
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"In the case of Kugan (Ananthan), what was returned to the family was his body. Six months have passed and nothing has happened," he added.<br />
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Kugan, 20, had died in police custody five days after he was picked up by the Subang Jaya police in connection to a luxury car theft case.<br />
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His death has been classified as murder following the emergence of a video recording which revealed severe lacerations on his body.<br />
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A second post-mortem commissioned by the family also revealed that Kugan had endured severe beatings.<br />
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Following this, 11 policemen were reassigned to desk duties and the investigation papers are now with the Attorney-General's Chambers.<br />
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<strong>Another self-inflicted injury?</strong></font><br />
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"The inspector-general of police (Musa Hassan) should be criticised for his lack of enthusiasm in resolving such cases," stressed Gobind, calling on Home Minister Hishammuddin Hussein to take a personal interest in the latest case.<br />
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"This is not the first time that a black eye injury has been classified as self-inflicted. We had the famous case of (Opposition Leader) Anwar Ibrahim in 1998," he added.<br />
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Gobind also said that he has advised Koh to pursue legal action against the police. "We will not let this go, we want a quick resolution," he added.<br />
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He also called on the police chief to order the case to be transferred to the Bukit Aman police headquarters to be probed by a special team.<span class="subtitle"><br />
<br /></span>DAP Subang Jaya assemblyperson Hannah Yeoh said she thought the situation would improve after the Kugan incident but lamented that this has not been the case.<br />
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"I hope the police will conduct a thorough probe regarding this matter," she added.<br />
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DAP Youth chief Anthony Loke said the latest incident once again underscored the importance of setting up the Independent Police Misconduct and Complaints Commission (IPCMC).<br />
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"If Hishammuddin is serious in wanting to reform the police, then he should revive the IPCMC," he added.<br />
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Police: He was drunk and disorderly</strong></font><br />
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Contacted later, Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar said that Koh was detained by an auxiliary police personnel and members of the public for "drunk and disorderly conduct".<br />
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<img src="http://media1.malaysiakini.com/167/0327dd86265b64b5195fa3af256d723b.jpg" alt="khalid abu bakar" title="khalid abu bakar" width="137" align="left" height="237" />"He was behaving very aggressively and was taking off his clothes. When he was taken to the police station, he continued to be aggressive and broke the glass door and punched the table," he said.<br />
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"The policemen were forced to subdue him. This was how he sustained his injuries."<br />
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He added that Koh was sent for medical treatment and he was freed on police bail the next day.<br />
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"Suddenly now he claimed the police had assaulted him for no reason," he lamented.<br />
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Khalid also asked why Koh had waited so many days before filing a police report on the alleged assault.<br />
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Nevertheless, he told <em>Malaysiakini</em> that the matter would be thoroughly investigated.<br />
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Commenting on this, Gobind said the delay in filing a police report was due to the family being in fear.<br />
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"We must understand that the boy underwent a traumatising experience.<br />
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"On June 1, the family met with someone from Suhakam (Human Rights Commission). They were then advised to file a police report," he said when contacted later.<br />
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Gobind said the family had also lodged a complaint with Suhakam.
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<p>Little did 20-year-old college student Koh Chon Weng suspect that a night out at a club with friends would turn out to be an experience he would never forget.</p>
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<img src="http://media1.malaysiakini.com/187/8323595ff68cbbe73384b2b4487f47eb.jpg" alt="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 01" title="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 01" width="200" align="right" height="280" />The youth, who still bears the scars of his ordeal, claimed that he was arrested and beaten up by a number of police officers for no apparent reason.</p>
<p>&#8220;I was handcuffed, punched and kicked for several minutes. And when I spat the blood which oozed out from my mouth on the floor, I was beaten again for this,&#8221; recalled the soft-spoken accounting student at a press conference in the DAP headquarters in Petaling Jaya.</p>
<p>His friends, who accompanied Koh to the press conference, expressed shock over the incident.</p>
<p>&#8220;He is not capable of committing any crime. He is such a mild-mannered person. We are so disappointed by this. It can happen to any of us,&#8221; lamented one of them.</p>
<p><img src="http://media1.malaysiakini.com/187/396a01d01d17040b797f452ac8b33d43.jpg" alt="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 02" title="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 02" width="203" align="left" height="266" />On May 24, Koh said he was walking towards his car at the basement of a popular mall in Bandar Sunway at about 3am after patronising an entertainment outlet when he was approached by a personnel from the auxiliary police unit.</p>
<p>&#8220;He grabbed me and told me that I was being arrested. I asked him why but he did not answer. I was then taken to the Bandar Sunway police station and handed over to two police officers.</p>
<p>&#8220;I refused to enter the police station and kept insisting on the reason for my arrest. The police officers ignored my question and handcuffed me. They then dragged me into the police station,&#8221; he claimed.</p>
<p>&#8220;A struggle ensued and my right foot knocked against the glass door, causing it to shatter,&#8221; he added.</p>
<p><span class="subtitle">&#8216;Punched and kicked&#8217;</span></p>
<p>In his report lodged at the Brickfields police station on June 3, Koh said the two police officers subsequently became enraged and started verbally abusing him.</p>
<p>&#8220;They then beat me, including kicking me in the hips and punching my ear. Because of this, my mouth and my lips started to bleed. My right eye, left hand and forehead were swollen.</p>
<p><img src="http://media1.malaysiakini.com/187/ed1345c7639ea48aa9090bd21345a801.jpg" alt="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 05" title="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 05" align="right" />&#8220;Another policeman then challenged me to a fight but I refused,&#8221; he added.</p>
<p>Koh was later subjected to a urine test by the anti-narcotics department and the results cleared him of any illicit substance.</p>
<p>He was then taken to the Subang Jaya district police headquarters.</p>
<p>At about 11am, he was brought to the Magistrate&#8217;s Court to be remanded. Here, the student said he had complained to the magistrate about the &#8216;beating&#8217; but was allegedly told that he could only report it after he was released.</p>
<p>Later that night, he was taken for a medical examination at about 10pm.</p>
<p>Koh said he could not contact his parents to inform them of his whereabouts and his mobile phone was damaged during the alleged assault.</p>
<p>He was released on May 26 at about 6pm and is still in the dark as to why he was arrested and subjected to such treatment.</p>
<p><span class="subtitle">&#8216;Injuries were self-inflicted&#8217;</span></p>
<p>His father, who was also present at the press conference, said a police officer had told him that his son&#8217;s injuries were self-inflicted.</p>
<p><img src="http://media1.malaysiakini.com/187/2b9135be803b518748b0bd54b6c5c9cd.jpg" alt="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 03" title="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 03" align="left" />The visibly vexed Koh Teck Youn said he and his wife went looking for their son when he failed to return home.</p>
<p>&#8220;We went from one police station to another and finally we found out that he was at the Subang Jaya police station.</p>
<p>&#8220;I spoke to the investigating officer and was allowed to see my son at about 5pm. I was shocked by his injuries and pleaded for them to get him medical attention,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;When I asked them why he was arrested, the police officer said that my son had assaulted a policeman and broke the glass door.</p>
<p>&#8220;As for his injuries, I was told that my son had knocked himself against the wall,&#8221; added the 50-year-old mechanic with the look of disbelief etched on his face.</p>
<p><span class="subtitle">Pursue legal action<br /></span><br />
Meanwhile, Puchong MP Gobind Singh Deo expressed disappointment over the incident and called for swift action.</p>
<p>He said the police had allegedly violated the law from the onset when they failed to inform Koh of the reason of his arrest.</p>
<p>Secondly, he said the student was handcuffed and therefore should not have been subjected to physical force.</p>
<p>&#8220;Although the law permits the use of a certain degree of force to restrain a suspect, in this case, the police officers were bigger than him and he was in handcuffs. So was the use of force necessary?&#8221; he added.</p>
<p><img src="http://media1.malaysiakini.com/187/e8f820c8c643d13618230896f35d0423.jpg" alt="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 07" title="koh chon weng police brutality victim black eye 070609 07" align="right" />Gobind said it was fortunate that Koh was still able to relate his ordeal.</p>
<p>&#8220;In the case of Kugan (Ananthan), what was returned to the family was his body. Six months have passed and nothing has happened,&#8221; he added.</p>
<p>Kugan, 20, had died in police custody five days after he was picked up by the Subang Jaya police in connection to a luxury car theft case.</p>
<p>His death has been classified as murder following the emergence of a video recording which revealed severe lacerations on his body.</p>
<p>A second post-mortem commissioned by the family also revealed that Kugan had endured severe beatings.</p>
<p>Following this, 11 policemen were reassigned to desk duties and the investigation papers are now with the Attorney-General&#8217;s Chambers.<br />
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<strong>Another self-inflicted injury?</strong></font></p>
<p>&#8220;The inspector-general of police (Musa Hassan) should be criticised for his lack of enthusiasm in resolving such cases,&#8221; stressed Gobind, calling on Home Minister Hishammuddin Hussein to take a personal interest in the latest case.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is not the first time that a black eye injury has been classified as self-inflicted. We had the famous case of (Opposition Leader) Anwar Ibrahim in 1998,&#8221; he added.</p>
<p>Gobind also said that he has advised Koh to pursue legal action against the police. &#8220;We will not let this go, we want a quick resolution,&#8221; he added.</p>
<p>He also called on the police chief to order the case to be transferred to the Bukit Aman police headquarters to be probed by a special team.<span class="subtitle"></p>
<p></span>DAP Subang Jaya assemblyperson Hannah Yeoh said she thought the situation would improve after the Kugan incident but lamented that this has not been the case.</p>
<p>&#8220;I hope the police will conduct a thorough probe regarding this matter,&#8221; she added.</p>
<p>DAP Youth chief Anthony Loke said the latest incident once again underscored the importance of setting up the Independent Police Misconduct and Complaints Commission (IPCMC).</p>
<p>&#8220;If Hishammuddin is serious in wanting to reform the police, then he should revive the IPCMC,&#8221; he added.<br />
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<p>Contacted later, Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar said that Koh was detained by an auxiliary police personnel and members of the public for &#8220;drunk and disorderly conduct&#8221;.</p>
<p><img src="http://media1.malaysiakini.com/167/0327dd86265b64b5195fa3af256d723b.jpg" alt="khalid abu bakar" title="khalid abu bakar" width="137" align="left" height="237" />&#8220;He was behaving very aggressively and was taking off his clothes. When he was taken to the police station, he continued to be aggressive and broke the glass door and punched the table,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;The policemen were forced to subdue him. This was how he sustained his injuries.&#8221;</p>
<p>He added that Koh was sent for medical treatment and he was freed on police bail the next day.</p>
<p>&#8220;Suddenly now he claimed the police had assaulted him for no reason,&#8221; he lamented.</p>
<p>Khalid also asked why Koh had waited so many days before filing a police report on the alleged assault.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, he told <em>Malaysiakini</em> that the matter would be thoroughly investigated.</p>
<p>Commenting on this, Gobind said the delay in filing a police report was due to the family being in fear.</p>
<p>&#8220;We must understand that the boy underwent a traumatising experience.</p>
<p>&#8220;On June 1, the family met with someone from Suhakam (Human Rights Commission). They were then advised to file a police report,&#8221; he said when contacted later.</p>
<p>Gobind said the family had also lodged a complaint with Suhakam.</p>
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